Had a plumber do the valve rough in and then I put in a three piece surround. This is SUPER important. They also put the valve for the shower too far in the wall too, luckily Rohl makes an extension kit for that valve otherwise we'd really be up a creek!! Moen pressure-balance shower valves are designed so they sense hot and cold water pressure and keep them in balance, preventing the shower from sudden surges of hot or cold water. Reason #6: Wrong Shower Valve Depth. The gray water dump valve to the shower/bathroom tank has stopped functioning (since I'm a fulltimer, luckily it broke in the open position). But if it’s a new style you’re after or features like preset temperatures or anti-scald protection, it’s time for replacement. If the diverter sticks too far out and that sleeve is all the way against the diverter, the handle will just spin. The depth of the shower valve to the finished wall surface is critical -- too deep and the handle won't fit on the stem. It worked like … And they knew we were going to tile. At that point it was either tear apart the drywall behind the valve, remove the surround, or give this a try. How do these work? The lower the flow rate (GPM) of the showerhead, the longer it takes for the water coming out of the shower to heat up.. This kit extends the valve out about 3/4". You use one of these by locking the base onto the valve housing and screwing the central screw into the hole on the valve stem for the handle. Also the handle sticks out too far from the escutcheon. moen valve is too far back in the wall; Author: mjd445 (IL) i installed a new moen valve in my bathroom shower and i finnished the wall with tile Now my trim and shower handle will not mount on the valve is there something i could use to extend the valve out farther without tearing up the tile Double-check the valve size and model to make sure it matches your old cartridge. If the valve is 1/4-3/8" too far back, will a 1" extension, then, make it stick way too far out? American Standard offers a number of rough-in valves for each configuration so you can design your ideal shower. The handle sticks out about 3.75 inches+ from the finished wall ( the gap between the handle cover and the wall plate is about 1 1/4 inch. The water pipe that connects to the bathroom faucet also extends vertically to meet the showerhead. Didn’t realize everything was too far back until after it was wrestled into place. The cartoons call for mounting the valve body FLUSH with the FINISHED WALL. Here’s the problem, if the shower valve is set to the wrong depth, the trim kit won’t work properly. Step two is to figure out how deep to set the Moen valve inside the stud wall. Diverter valves switch the distribution of water between the tub faucet and the shower head. We retiled our shower and it left the shower valve too far recessed. You can then tell if you have a thermostatic mixer shower instead of just a regular mixer shower because it will often have a button to stop the temperature from being set too high. It seems to be the miracle I have been hoping for. If your valve cartridge will not slide into the wall or seems too small for the slot, you may have bought the wrong size. Just enough to attach the handle. Really? If you have Moen faucet, you can usually find a model-specific cartridge puller for that faucet. For example, the Moen 104421 cartridge puller works with 1200, 1222 and 1225 cartridges, and it makes other pullers for different models. Is that even legal now? Shower outlet nipple sticks out too far! Can anyone suggest the best way to get around this problem. Hanging beneath the belly cover is all the propane piping. As with any faucet brand, a Moen shower valve contains working parts that can go bad over time. This product extended the stem one inch farther out of the wall. Anyway, it is now too far recessed and the handle has a piece (which I forgot to take a picture) that fits over the stem. Flow rate too low on shower head. Discussion in 'Plumbers' Talk' started by DemiGod, Aug 28, 2009. Moen Shower Valve Sticks out too much? Many times once the cbb and the tile is on the escuchin and handle work out. The problem is that this is WRONG and if you follow the cartoons to the letter, the valve handle WILL stick out too far. DemiGod New Member. It consists of longer SS screws, an extended valve stem, and a longer sleeve. Some pull-out handles, such as those on many Price Pfister showers, can slowly become harder to pull out over time.A cartridge replacement can solve the problem, but often so can a little lubrication. A Shower valve body rough in kit is the brass fixture inside the shower wall where the hot and cold water gets mixed to a comfortable warm temperature, perfect for your morning shower. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task! Shower faucet sticks out almost an inch too much for tile. (If the spout and handles are worn, you can change them out, too.) So it’s critical to know the thickness of. I think there is a tolerance 1/2" each way. To fix short of tearing it off and doing it right I'd get a clear piece of acryllic then cut it out to be a half inch or larger larger than the circle of the shower mechanism . Its not set in stone. The plumber is responsible for making the situation right to your satisfaction. If shower valves are too deep or too shallow this will affect the look of the trim kit. BEWARE that you have your plumber measure right and recess it in the wall far enough or it will look unfinished and there's nothing you can do about it, expect rip the tile and wall apart. It was HIS mistake, and thats exactly what it … If you want to prevent high water temperature that might scald you, make sure the valve is a thermostatic or pressure balanced valve. A new shower will have plumbing for the shower valve which installs in the wall cavity behind the wall with the shower head and adjustment knob. 3. That chrome sleeve that the handle rides on is somewhat adjustable. 4. To be honest, If the plumber roughed in the valve, it isnt on you to find this trim ring. Electric shower controls usually use a box on the wall. The fact that it sticks out too far means the valve was roughed in incorrectly. Every shower valve should be installed over solid blocking. Water flows directly through the faucet and into the bathtub when the diverter valve is open. Since the backerboard is not installed yet - essentially giving me access to the valve - would it be considered better to try and move the valve, or is a stem extension perfectly acceptable with no … My unit has a full length belly cover. When attempting to install shower body trim I am now realizing that the plumber installed the shower valve too close in the wall cavity and is sticking out too far. Shower Cartridge. Do a dry fit with a scrap of dryall, the valve trimmed out, and slide in a piece of tile to see what the finished product will look like. We have a Moen Adler shower valve with a posi-temp cartridge #1222. Apparently when rough plumbed in the studding wasn't put back for enough or there was no backer board put on the sheetrock to give you the distance needed. This isn’t good. I will be able to use all the other original parts. Beside above, how do you test a shower valve? If your bath or shower faucet drips, you can fix the old shower valve and faucet with a few inexpensive replacement parts. :bang: Turns out, they put the mount for the wall faucets too far in the wall! Is there a trim piece I can get to cover this gap between the back plate and the handle? That acts as a stop also for the handle on the Moentrol. Jump to Latest Follow ... the OP is incorrect in his assumption that its sticking out too far. The new valve sticks out too far so have about a 20mm gap to fill between the valve and the tiles. I do not want to open the wall up so the plumber can correct the pipes. The wall trim plate attached fine but the lever was about an inch out away from the trim plate. I suppose it is probably also illegal for me … Showers come with anywhere from one to three handles: an all-in-one cold to hot control, double hot and cold taps, and the possible addition of the shower diverter valve. It is … Choosing your shower rough-in valve is simple once you decide between a pressure balance valve or thermostatic valve set up. Then connect them to the Posi-Temp valve using teflon tape. If you have a thermostatic mixer shower, you’ll have a thermostatic mixer valve. Don't struggle with a stiff pull-out shower handle when a little silicone grease can fix it. I have just replaced our shower valve, but have a problem. Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death.PlumbingZone.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. For example, shower valves set too far outside the stud bay might have a gap between the tiled wall and escutcheon. If you notice severe rust and corrosion while changing the shower valve, then you may need to change out the entire tub and shower valve assembly. BTW, for all the other folks who have given me great tips, I have just received my deep rough-in kit from Kohler. Now that all the painting and caulking is done, it was finally time to attach the shower trim plate and hot/cold lever. It appears getting to everything will be a major hassle. (I uploaded this so I could show it to the guy at the plumbing store, but he said he couldn't access the internet from the computer at his desk. My best guess at this point is that the cable broke and the valve is still good. Once the hot and cold water is mixed, the shower rough in valve sends it out to the showerhead or tub spout. Tile backer boards (typically 1/2″) Most shower valves have a port on the bottom that allows you the ability to make a shower valve a tub/shower valve if the need arises. All the pro plumbers said if the valve body is installed per the instructions, it sticks out too far, exposing too much shaft on the shower handle. Like all things that are frequently used and have moving parts, these shower handles can become worn down, clogged and damaged over time. But don't go overboard or too high-end with your pick: "A custom shower curtain may not be machine-washable," points out Lindsay MacRae of the eponymous design firm in New York City. I no longer have access to the valve itself since dry wall, thinset, kerdi, and more thinset is surrounding the valve stem coming out of the wall. Shower Valve Roughed Too Far Forward! If you mount the valve body such that the plaster ground is 3/8" DEEPER than the FINISHED wall surface, the handle will be perfect. Thanks The design I think is to allow leeway. Pipe that connects to the posi-temp valve using teflon tape be the miracle i have just received my deep kit! Behind the valve is simple once you decide between a pressure balance valve or thermostatic set. And that sleeve is all the propane piping electric shower controls usually use a box on the wall received! 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